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[mja61]

Check this one out:

http://home.attbi.com/~mja112358/roundabout_128k.mp3

GTR playing "Roundabout" live with Jonathan Mover on drums. The first time I heard it, the word "electrifying" came immediately to mind (hey, but that's just me...)

I know we're all Vinnie/Virgil freaks here on HOD, but I thought this might be a nice change of pace. Let's not forget that Mover was one of the progressive drumming kings 10 years before anyone even HEARD of Virgil! I really dig Mover's playing...he's sort of a cross between Weckl/Vinnie/Gadd and Virgil/Mangini/Peart.

Anyhoos, hope you enjoy it!

[FuseU1]

THANX [AGAIN] 4 that 1, mja!
Move's a great player - i still have that 1st GTR tape [!] [w/ "When the Heart Rules the Mind," & "The Hunter"]...he also does some nice work on JSatch's double-live disc[s], "Time Machine" [sharing the drum chair w/ GBiss & SimonP, who also play great, of course]...
...been tryin to get a hold of some of his work w/ the band "Einstein"...
...he studied at Berklee, i believe, & took some extensive lessons w/ GChaffee...
...BTW - he's been quoted as saying that Vinnie is his fav drummer [img]wink.gif[/img] [as has GBiss, AW] ....

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ February 08, 2003 03:31 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>

[numeroUnoHODfan]

Fuse!!!

funny you should mention those tracks from GTR... I just snagged 'em from Morpheus a while back... going back to my roots... for a beginning drummer schooled on Top 40 radio, that hi-hat/rim shot was one of the trickiest things I was trying to work on back then, along with David Ousikkenen's "All You Zombies" (remember that track from the Hooters?)...

Thanks for the track, mja... [img]wink.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ February 08, 2003 04:20 PM: Message edited by: numeroUnoHODfan ]</font>

[PocketPlayer]

I like Mover, but I didn't like his interpretation of a classic tune. Was this YES? It didn't sound like Anderson on vocals. This gets back to my post on Michael Lee's cover of Kashmir with Page & Plant- he didn't play Bonzo's BD part the same. Unexcusable!

We have all heard these classic tunes 1000 times thanks to the over play of classic rock radio. When I cover a classic tune like Roundabout, I try to keep the integrity of the song in it's original form. Sure, there will never be note-4-note, but Mover basically player Mover (especially that double-bass filler..UGH) rather than Bruford (brilliant drumming on this tune originally might I add).
If the original drummer wants to jimmy the parts, then so be it. If Mover was playing in his band or another that cover Roundabout, then even more freedom to interpret. If he was gigging with YES...man, less Mover, more original YES.

[FuseU1]

Yeekz - i havta admit, i downloaded it & responded, thank'g mja w/out even listen'g to it [still havent listened to it yet [img]eek.gif[/img] ...
If what u say is true PP [& i have no reason to doubt otherwise! [img]wink.gif[/img] ], then i agree w/ your post...i bet when i hear it i'll feel the same, just from knowing ya thru your posts, e's, & the trade...i still like JM, but i doubt he played the part similarly to BB...maybe he thought, since BB's playing was so integral to the tune [& recognizable], "why bother?" [maybe he felt that he couldnt do it justice if he tried to cop BB - u know, the old "there's Mover trying to do Bruford" ["i think i'll just do Mover - since i am Mover!]....

[mja61]

All right...now I have to get back up on my soapbox....

One thing is for sure: Mover is playing it the Mover way, not the Bruford way, so I think he at least deserves credit for that. I personally think it's a great interpretation of the drum part for that tune (feel free to disagree), though I agree it's not really faithful to the original part. Vinnie plays tunes the Vinnie way, Virgil plays tunes the Virgil way, and our jaws hit the floor. Why don't we allow the same standard for Mover? It's not like the guy can't play.

I don?t believe Virgil, Mangini, or Vinnie would not overplay the hell out of that tune. There is a clip on HOD of Vinnie playing "Manic Depression" but it doesn't really remind me much of the original drum part, and I'm not sure I'd count it among the best drum parts I?ve ever heard. A guy like Gadd can groove his ass off on any tune, be faithful to the original drum part, and still he gets ripped for not having the chops or "fill repertoire" of Virgil or Vinnie. I've said it before and I'll say it again, sometimes it's not WHAT is being played, but rather WHO is doing the playing that we dig.

We make such a big deal out of DOUBLE bass technique (Virgil, Mangini, Grant Collins, etc.) that I think we overlook good SINGLE bass technique (in the vain of John Bonham, e.g. "Good Times Bad Times"). While Virgil and the others certainly can kick some serious ass with a double pedal, I don't hear anyone really doing much interesting work with one pedal. As long as I'm on the topic, I'll mention Danny Seraphine. He?s the orignial drummer from Chicago?one of my favorites (and one of Mangini?s top 7 influences, I might add). He?s not a Weckl or a Steve Smtih, but he gets WAY WAY less credit than he deserves. He was doing progressive single bass drums patters very early on...perhaps even earlier than Bonham....Listen up the next time you hear ?Old Days? on your favorite classic rock station.

Okay, I?m off the soapbox now! Later everyone...

[FuseU1]

I hear what u r sayin, mja...
But aft given it a listen [at least up til almost about 3:00, where i then x'd off of it], i havta agree w/ Pocket...
Altho i think JM's a fine player [listed in above post; & saw him in clinic 1ce], i nevertheless found it to be rather uninspired drumming in a cover of this classic tune...in JM's defense, i havta say that i've been extremely spoiled by/partial to the orig Bruford version of this tune...
BTW [& spkg of BB] - any1 ever hear Steve Hackett's solo release version of Genesis' "Watcher of the Skies?" I thought Bruford did a killer job on a "different" remake version of this tune, along w/ John Wetton on vocals...& drummers Chester Thompson & Hugo Degenhardt do a hair-raising job on their respective tunes...
I also thought BB did a great job on the tunes he did on Genesis' double-live "Seconds Out;" I really dug Phil's work w/ early to mid Gen & Brand X, but i feel like BB smoked 'im on those tunes on that CD[s].... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Vdrummer]

JM's playing doesn't kill me here not because he doesn't play it like Bruford but because he didn't add anything of his own that I found interesting. His playing on the Einstein stuff is great. I transcribed his solo to Put Up Or Shut Up and it's a great solo in 7. Definitely worth checking out. I transcribed some stuff he's done during solos with Satriani and on The Gary Chaffee video and he has lots of great stuff to offer. If you're not familiar with him you owe it to yourself to become more familiar with him.

Brad